So with Denmark gone, we probably want to get this hospital thing done soon, right? Here's a suggestion on how to do it.

As I understand it, Hovedstaden was the last allied Q3 hospital. Ours is nearing half-completion (http://www.vpopulus.net/company/560) but for the time being, we'll have to move to heal in Serbia. As doing so incurs a loss of 4 wellness on each trip, it's important to complete our own hospital soon, especially when our alliance with Serbia expires, which, given the fact that we fought for Denmark, is unlikely to be renewed. To do so, I propose diverting all non-essential labor to the construction industry. This includes anyone who is below skill level 3, regardless of industry. Though it may sound extreme to have workers go from skill level 2 jobs to starting all over again, keep in mind that with the higher daily skill increases at the early levels, one can get back up in a matter of days. Speed is however, constrained by inefficient productivity when a constructions company contains more or less than the optimum of 20 employees. Therefore, I would suggest cycling workers. That is, after an employee has worked each day, fire him/her to make room for the next worker. To avoid forcing someone to watch the company all day, it wouldn't be a significant loss to allow it to vary from 18-22 workers, i.e. start firing once you get 22 employees, start hiring again once you've fired down to 18. That gives an employee number range of 5 (20 being the best), and depending on how many players want to work for us, say, 35, we would go through 3 cycles a day. Speaking of players wanting to work for us, how much are we paying the employees at the hospital company? Whatever it is, raise it. If we want to get this done fast, we have to incentivize commune (yes, I know the definition of commune) work, or at least not de-incentivize it so much. This will be a new expense though, so I propose an emergency tax raise to cover the costs of the wages. I'm sure we're all a little iffy on the idea of high taxes (though actually, many nations have taxes higher than our own), but we are at war and Serbia's non-stop juggernaut will probably eventually come to us now that we've incurred their wrath by "betraying" our alliance with them. Lastly, I know that we've been congregating in New England, but when this thing gets down, we really ought to put it down in Mid-Atlantic. If you look at the first version of eRepublik (I know they're different games, but we shouldn't just ignore the similarities), high iron regions always become the most important. And that's what Mid-Atlantic has, so it would be foolish not to protect it. Besides, with the amount of moving that soldiers will have to do to heal, we could easily relocate most of our player base to Mid-Atlantic. But that's an aside, the important thing is the hospital. I know that most of the measures suggested probably will not be implemented on account of the various difficulties, but we have to start thinking about what we're going to do.

Here's how to get this done by cycling:

Put out fair pay for all wages. Put 999 (or whatever max is) offers out. Give all personnel orders to fire themselves after working if there are more than 20 people (ex, 21). Start kicking all the inactive people. Once Denmark falls, if at all, Angua has 20 construction workers in the Q1 House company they had. With 40 workers, each putting out 10 or more, that's about 400 per day. With 999 offers, they only have to be renewed once every 25 days, by which time the hospital would be done.

There are also more things we need to get done:

Government Weapons. We can't rely only on Q1 weapons, Q2 really isn't that more. A skill 3 worker would make more than 1 per day, a skill 4 would make about 1.8 per day. These Q2 weapons would be handed out to the high hitters, a lot of them from Denmark.

Civilian Organization. More effective, more people on IRC. If they aren't here to help, they shouldn't be in the army.

Civilian Brains. This is a key one. Now, think about it for a moment. If someone is making Q3 Gifts, should you start hiring for a Q2 Gift co? Only if you're stupid and want to kill the vUS, as well as IRON. Q2 are more expensive than Q1, so Q1 = healing moving health. Q3 can heal 30 (more than 20), so Q3 = fighting. Q2's are largely useless, stop polluting the job market.

Work vUS. If you work for that Turkish or Serbian guy, chances are the weapons are being sold in Serbia. We need to organize who works for who, NOW. If you work for a non-vUS Company, you're pretty much hurting us.

Another thing: It's just plain stupid to put the hospital on a border state. Put it like 2 inside, so that it can't be captured easily. We can all sleep at the border countries, then after the attack, move to the hospital one to heal. The wall doesn't change after the fight begins.

Awsum wrote:

Another thing: It's just plain stupid to put the hospital on a border state. Put it like 2 inside, so that it can't be captured easily. We can all sleep at the border countries, then after the attack, move to the hospital one to heal. The wall doesn't change after the fight begins.

He brought up the mid-atlantic.. Simply because it's our High Iron. High Iron is a strategically important region and should be a fortress region.

Awsum wrote:

Government Weapons. We can't rely only on Q1 weapons, Q2 really isn't that more. A skill 3 worker would make more than 1 per day, a skill 4 would make about 1.8 per day. These Q2 weapons would be handed out to the high hitters, a lot of them from Denmark.

No. Don't even mention giving out Q2 weapons until we've got our entire nation running on Q1's. The difference between Q2 and Q1 is a 40% bonus to a 20% bonus. The difference between Q1 and fighting without weapons is a 20% bonus to a 50% penalty. Clearly, an increase of 70% is more important than 20%. Yes, some heavy fighters from Denmark will lose out on a few damage points here and there, but they're the very first players of vPopulus and I'm sure they're high-skilled workers with three figure salaries who own companies that make them loads of gold, so they can splurge on Q2 weapons themselves for the important fights anyways.

Awsum wrote:

Here's how to get this done by cycling:

Put out fair pay for all wages. Put 999 (or whatever max is) offers out. Give all personnel orders to fire themselves after working if there are more than 20 people (ex, 21). Start kicking all the inactive people. Once Denmark falls, if at all, Angua has 20 construction workers in the Q1 House company they had. With 40 workers, each putting out 10 or more, that's about 400 per day. With 999 offers, they only have to be renewed once every 25 days, by which time the hospital would be done.

This I approve of. I didn't even think of having the workers fire themselves, but that would make everyone's lives easier.

Awsum wrote:

Civilian Brains. This is a key one. Now, think about it for a moment. If someone is making Q3 Gifts, should you start hiring for a Q2 Gift co? Only if you're stupid and want to kill the vUS, as well as IRON. Q2 are more expensive than Q1, so Q1 = healing moving health. Q3 can heal 30 (more than 20), so Q3 = fighting. Q2's are largely useless, stop polluting the job market.

Can you only use 10 gifts a day?

10 gifts a day doesn't matter if they're q1-5

TL;DR.

JesseFisch wrote:

10 gifts a day doesn't matter if they're q1-5

Ah, so that makes sense then to not bother with Q2 gift companies. But about the employee cycling, has anything come of that idea?

Nope. Currently, we don't have over 20 workers cuz Brazil is being stupid and insisting on finishing their Q5 Hospital. Like that'll happen.

Awsum wrote:

Nope. Currently, we don't have over 20 workers cuz Brazil is being stupid and insisting on finishing their Q5 Hospital. Like that'll happen.

Holy shit they're halfway done already:

http://www.vpopulus.net/company/312

Screw our Q3, let's cycle our workers through Brazil's hospital. Just have them pay for the cost of making alliance proposals between us (how much is that, 15 gold) and call it even.

We are halfway done with our Q3 also. In any event, 3000 Q3 points is 9000, 5000 Q5 points is 25000, almost 3x. We should have some line of defense ready, then build up from there.

Awsum wrote:

We are halfway done with our Q3 also. In any event, 3000 Q3 points is 9000, 5000 Q5 points is 25000, almost 3x. We should have some line of defense ready, then build up from there.

No, as I understand it, a productivity point is a productivity point no matter what quality it is. The reason Q5's are worth more than Q3's is because it takes a greater number of productivity points to complete them. So in other words, right now we have a choice between 3000 more points to get a Q3 and 5000 more points to get a Q5. If we were starting from the beginning, then I would agree with the line of thinking that we should just get an average hospital done ASAP, but since there's been so much progress made on the Q5 already, we should help our allies and thus ourselves by committing our joint resources towards the more important project. Remember, if we're allies with Brazil by the time their hospital is done, then we can use it too. And the best way to ingratiate ourselves with them is to help them complete their national project (because it looks like they're pouring alot of effort into the thing). Which would you prefer? A Q3 that we independently finish a week or two before Brazil independently finishes their Q5, or a Q5 that we finish together in roughly the same amount of time that it would take for us to finish the Q3 by ourselves? To "build up from there" is simply a waste of raw materials and workforce.

Sorry to say it, the best chance to get your hospital finish was to help Denmark when we was on the map. now you is half done and Serbia is closing in on you,

And thats whit out the IRON bullshit

Dan, your understanding is incorrect. There is the 'E' multiplier... if I work in a Q3, that's 1/3, a Q5 is 1/5.

Therefore, if I get 36 per day in a Q1, I get 12 in a Q3, and 7 in a Q5. So not only are they FARTHER away from finishing, it will require almost twice as many men to finish it in the same amount of time as us.

Awsum wrote:

Dan, your understanding is incorrect. There is the 'E' multiplier... if I work in a Q3, that's 1/3, a Q5 is 1/5.

Therefore, if I get 36 per day in a Q1, I get 12 in a Q3, and 7 in a Q5. So not only are they FARTHER away from finishing, it will require almost twice as many men to finish it in the same amount of time as us.

Oh, that sucks. Well, we should ask them then to lend some of their workers here and then once we're done with the Q3, we'll immediately send all our workers to cycle for them over there. That deal would actually get their hospital done faster too.

Aside from Brazil, there's another matter to address. Please read this related topic:

https://vunitedstates.forumotion.com/t39-hospital-in-new-england-or-mid-atlantic